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lbpa18

Manufacturers List price
« on: July 30, 2010, 12:51:52 AM »
Anybody have any numbers on what one of these cost when they were new vs. what a new 185 cost?

mrhelio

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Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 10:20:07 AM »
In 1968 a Helio Courier MK II had a bare bones list price at $33,900.00 and the Helio Super Courier @ $ 38,900.00

The 1400 series H-295 as of 1972 was @ $ 41,900

The last Helio built in 1974 went out the door equipped at $105,900 and something

mrhelio

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Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2010, 08:41:26 AM »
The first Helio delivered a 391B had a list price of $ 26, 500.00

That airplane had the registration number of N26B and sold to Alan Bemis

Doug Johnson

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 03:06:00 PM »
Dudley V. Talcott, Farmington, CT purchased N28B c/n 005 this was the first aircraft constructed at Pittsburg, KS using parts returned from Fleet, Mfg the parts were made by Fleet mfg for  c/n 001 through c/n 006.

Edit; Dudley V. Talcott, Farmington, CT actually purchased c/n 001 in Nov'54
       Alan Bemis, Concord, Massachusetts actually bought N28B c/n 005.





Doug
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Doug Johnson

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 09:44:09 AM »
Edit; Dudley V. Talcott, Farmington, CT actually purchased c/n 001 in Nov'54 he's just a demo pilot here, Alan Bemis, Concord, Massachusetts actually bought N28B.

More nit picking, from this article I think Dudley V. Talcott, Farmington, CT purchased N28B c/n 005 this was the first aircraft constructed at Pittsburg, KS.


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Doug Johnson

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 05:22:22 AM »
I just happened to notice the picture 3rd one down in second attachment above showing the interceptors. Did the early 391's have four on each side? Or is this early photo retouching?

Doug

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Louis

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 05:57:05 AM »
I did have read about four interceptors on the first plane.  Like a test plane.  Did not know there were some of the production plane installed like that.

You really find interesting photos !

Thanks

Louis

Doug Johnson

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2011, 11:01:09 AM »
Louis,
The picture is c/n 005, you have c/n 001 & 011 in your backyard you ought to ask if theirs any sign of the 4 interceptors per wing left, they would have probably upgraded. I guess BC isn't exactly your back yard. Gerald is a site member though maybe he can tell us.

C-GOOI   1954  H-391A   001   Quebec   N242B first all metal plane mfg Canton, MA Jaars sold it, to Neil Bilodeau

C-FDIY     1955  H-391B   011   BC   N25BA, Gerald Jordan

This is some information I found maybe some one can figure out the first 11 Helios from this stuff.

June 1954  Flight
During the past few months, Fleet Manufacturing, Ltd., of Fort Erie, Ontario, have been making components of the Courier, for assembly at the Boston, Massachusetts, plant of Helio Aircraft.
It is now announced that the two companies have concluded an agreement whereby Fleet have sole manufacturing and sales rights for the Courier throughout the British Commonwealth.

1955 Aircraft intelligence
Fleet Courier Under an agreement with the American designers of the Helio Courier, Fleet Manufacturing, Ltd., hold all Commonwealth production and sales rights for this aircraft, H-391B, third of the Helioplane series. In addition Fleet will build components on behalf of the design firm for assembly in the United States. edit picture CF-IKF c/n 004

Six Fleet-built Couriers have been assembled in Helio's Boston factory, but future Canadian licensed Couriers will be produced by Fleet at Fort Erie.

Flight Aug,1956    Canadian Co-operation (fleet)
 
THE Helio Courier, a clean all-metal four-seat high-wing liaison machine which was shown in a photograph on page 760 of last week's issue of Flight, is the subject of news from Canada.
During the past few months, Fleet Manufacturing, Ltd., of Fort Erie, Ontario, has been making components of the Courier, for assembly at the Boston, Massachusetts, plant of Helio Aircraft.
It is now announced that the two companies have concluded an agreement whereby Fleet have sole manufacturing and sales rights for the Courier throughout the British Commonwealth.

Fleet will now make complete aircraft, of which Canadian and Commonwealth deliveries will be made from Fort Erie; at the same time, they will supply airframe components to Boston for United States and other markets.

The facilities of the plastics department have been expanded this year—and indeed the overall volume of work at the Fleet factory has increased by 20 per cent over that of last year. In addition to its subcontract production for the big aircraft companies (and for many non-aviation concerns) the company is now performing more work directly for the Canadian government.
During the year, the Helio Courier (for which Fleet holds Canadian and Commonwealth manufacturing and sales rights) has been demonstrated to the Canadian Services, including a recent evaluation by Army units at Wainwright, Alberta.
Modification of the prototype Helio being carried out at Fort Erie at the time of our visit was intended to lead to an increase in the certified normal gross weight from 2,800 lb to 3,000 lb. edit Helio Mod no. 21

The remaining five machines of the Fleet-manufactured batch have now been sold.
Fleet holds Canadian and Commonwealth manufacturing and sales rights for the Helio Courier, and five Couriers have been manufactured at Fort Erie. President and general manager of Fleet Manufacturing is H. L. Eberts.


Helio   Flight Aug, 1957

Courier Bearing the company designation H-391B, the Courier was designed six years ago to exploit its sponsors' ideas for an aeroplane with exceptional short-field performance, great safety (and virtual freedom from stalling) and a low noise level. After experimenting with a converted Piper airframe the
Courier was planned completely from scratch, and although it is superficially conventional it is in reality quite unusual.
The constant-section, unbraced wing, of allmetal construction with fabric-covered ailerons, is provided with high-lift slotted flaps over 74 per cent of the span and with automatic slats over the entire leading edge. Unlike other slow-speed aircraft, the Courier has no fixed tailplane; instead it is provided with a variable incidence "slab" tail with a span of 15ft. The cabin is entered by large doors, on the port side forward and to starboard at the rear. There are two pairs of seats which, with their mountings and surrounding structure, are stressed to recommendations of the Flight Safety Foundation.
At the rear is a 200 lb baggage compartment; and, by removing the rear pair of seats, a compartment 6ft in length is made available, capable of taking a maximum load of 1,000 lb.

Couriers are manufactured in Kansas by the Helio-owned Mid-States Manufacturing Corporation; the type is also subject.of an agreement with Fleet Manufacturing of Port Erie, Canada, who hold rights for the British Commonwealth.
A number of those recently delivered are twin-float versions.

Helio Aircraft Corporation, Norwood,
Massachusetts.

price 1957 H-391 $8,750      Flight
                C-180 $4,750
price 1958 H-391 $10,560
                C-180 _____-
price 1970 H-295 $21,000
                C-180 $13,150

The Helio Courier boasts remarkable safety for a single-engine aeroplane; it can follow a helicopter landing pattern and land on small heliports. Many Couriers have been sold to bush operators outside the U.S.A. Thirty-three were built in 1957.

Helio Courier
The Courier is powered by a Lycoming GO-435-C2B engine of 260 h.p.,driving a constant-speed propeller. A four seater, it is an all-metal high-wing monoplane with fixed undercarriage and combines relatively high performance and long range with stall-proof, slow-flight and ultra-short-field utility.
The constant-section, unbraced wing, of all metal construction with fabric-covered ailerons, is provided with high-lift slotted flaps over 74 per cent of the span and with automatic slats over the entire leading edge. Unlike other slow-speed aircraft, the Courier has no fixed tailplane; instead it is provided with a variableincidence "slab" tail with a span of 15ft. The cabin is entered by large doors, on the port side forward and to starboard at the rear.
There are two pairs of seats which, with their mountings and surrounding structure, are  stressed to recommendations of the Flight Safety Foundation. At the rear is a 200 lb baggage compartment; and, by removing the rear pair of seats, a compartment 6ft in length is made available, capable of taking a maximum load of 1,000 lb. Equipment includes an oversize constantspeed propeller, Goodyear castoring wheels, Griswold single-strap seat and chest belt and luggage compartment. Edo floats or Federal wheel-ski gear are offered.

Strato-Courier This model differs from the standard Courier in having a supercharged Lycoming GSO-480-A1A6 engine driving a three-blade Hartzell automatic constant-speed propeller (the standard Courier has a two blade Hartzell). It has been developed particularly for high-altitude photography and can operate at comfortably over 30,000 ft.

Helio Aircraft Corporation, Norwood,
Massachusetts.
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Ken Berger

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2011, 11:09:47 AM »
I agree with Louise: you really have found some interesting photos. 

I'm pretty sure that Chris Meyer, of Everett, Washington, had a pair of old wings for his 391 that had the 4 interceptors per wing like the photo.

Ken

Doug Johnson

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2011, 12:06:49 PM »
Ken,
Can you find the c/n's and original reg #'s of the Helio the wings belonged to, and the Helio he's putting them on. Maybe you can get some pictures and information from Chris.

Doug
Doug

Louis

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2011, 05:48:06 PM »


C-GOOI   1954  H-391A   001   Quebec   N242B first all metal plane mfg Canton, MA Jaars sold it, to Neil Bilodeau



Yes.  I have been rescued by 001 last winter.  A good way to come back home.  I will ask Neil to check for any sign of removal of interceptors.  May be in the logbook, there is a really big box of logbook for 001

Louis

Ray Dorsey

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2011, 09:17:41 PM »
N173K has 4. There was an s/b or s/i for the removal of the outer .I haven,t found the info or the reason why. Have asked other,s but no reply.

Doug Johnson

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2011, 10:01:45 PM »
N173K is c/n 074

Maybe Louis can find an (S/B) service bulletin, (S/I) service instruction  or (A/D) airworthiness directive in the logs of Ole # 1 N242B that covers this.

If we don't hear from some one it might take some phone calls.

Doug
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Neil

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2011, 10:38:03 AM »

I have opening on wing for 3 and 4 interceptor but only two, I check on the logbook and no inscription for remove the 4 at 2 interceptor on each wing ( I have the first logbook).






Neil
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Neil

Re: Manufacturers List price
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2011, 10:49:32 AM »
And I check on promotional (242B) video only 2

Neil
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8090875474584011710#