Author Topic: 500-5 Tail-wheels  (Read 1732 times)

RCarter

500-5 Tail-wheels
« on: September 18, 2018, 11:04:00 AM »
Helio Community,

Lets bring this up again!  Only because now I actually have something relevant to share.  I have spent the last 18 months working with Tom Anderson at The Landing Gear Works, same outfit that makes 500-5 assemblies for the rear end of the Cessna 180/185 line and makes titanium gear legs for Cessna.  I sent Tom my tail-wheel fork and he built me a new one enlarged slightly.  The new one has about .5-.75 inches more clearance at the top and is 5.95 inches wide.  He also had his DER look at it and provide the appropriate paperwork for installation.

I have test flown the fork with a 500-5 tire and can say it performs well.  There was shimmy on the initial flights when landing on pavement.  However, a few new bushing in the A-frame and tightening up the shimmy dampener attach points to remove play in the system has resolved the issue.  Tom Anderson also sells a wonderfully well machined set of spacers as part of an axle kit for the fork.  It is the same width as his 180/185 line so the spacers are the same.  I have purchased a 14.5 SC tire to test on the fork but given that we now have the 500-5 operating without shimmy I will probably continue to operate the 500-5 tire.  I like the 500-5 because a new 10-ply is $160 while a new 14.5 SC is in the range of $450 but perhaps it will perform better.  Reports to be made after testing.  There is something to be said for a low cost durable tire/tube/wheel combination that has more width and diameter than the original 10.5x4 my plane came with.  It also is comforting to know that every FBO in the country has 500-5 tubes and tires in stock for their C-150 fleet if things go bad.

When I talked to Tom last, he was open and receptive to making more forks for the community.  I believe his price was $2250 for a fork and paperwork if he could get an order for 5, naturally that includes painting, heat treating, the whole nine-yards.  He would make them one-off but I don't know his price. Tom's web page is thelandinggearworks.com/ he is a friendly fellow and makes a good product.

Feel free to reach out to me with any questions, I think its a good option for those of us who have been looking for something slightly larger on the rear of the plane.

Cheers,

-Russell


391stol

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2018, 11:31:33 AM »
How much without the paperwork.   My plane can’t read.

RCarter

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2018, 11:51:45 AM »
Was out at my plane last night and figured I might as well take a photo or two of the tail wheel fork and tire to go along with this post and topic. 

Installed tire is a 500-5 reference tire is the standard 10.5-4x4 tire.  I think it is a significant improvement and will certainly roll over uneven things better.

Jason Stephens

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2018, 04:01:32 PM »
Hi Mike,

Do you still think the 500-5 is still your tailwheel of choice?  It can be used with the stock fork correct?

Jason

tailhook

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2019, 06:44:59 AM »
This is the factory correct tail-wheel installed on N77TR

I talked quite at length about Helio Tails and forks and of course proper techniques, it depends on your mission requirements.

The Beaver tail-wheel seems to work excellent with all I've spoken with

Here is the factory correct 5.00X5 tail

I'll have to re-size this and get to fit the page correctly sometime today.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 08:04:56 AM by tailhook »

Neil

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2019, 09:29:24 AM »
This is the factory correct tail-wheel installed on N77TR

I talked quite at length about Helio Tails and forks and of course proper techniques, it depends on your mission requirements.

The Beaver tail-wheel seems to work excellent with all I've spoken with

Here is the factory correct 5.00X5 tail

I'll have to re-size this and get to fit the page correctly sometime today.


Hello Stephen
This is not 5.00X5 tire on the picture 9244.jpg, is 5.00X4 it same the Porter tail wheel tire & wheel.

Neil
« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 09:36:17 AM by Neil »

tailhook

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2019, 09:40:58 AM »
Thanks Neil for the correction, I had thought it was the factory unit.

Stephen

jmetzler

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2019, 01:52:07 PM »
As far as I know, the factory never used either the Beaver or the 5.00X5 on the H295. I know both have been used but I don't believe they are factory approved.

tailhook

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2019, 04:30:04 PM »
Hello Jim,

What then is the factory spec for the correct tailwheel, if I may ask??

Stephen

jmetzler

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2019, 05:02:26 PM »
The Aircraft Specs, H295 Parts Manual and Military Parts manuals, original Equipment Lists on later Helios all show the 10.00 SC tire on a 3" inner diameter wheel. Same for H391B, H250 and H395. The Beaver and 5.00X5 give better flotation but I don't think they are factory approved.

Neil

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2019, 07:49:43 PM »
I remember on the series H700 & H800 the tail wheel & tail wheel fork is bigger the other old series, but I don't no the size.

Neil

Doug Johnson 1

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2019, 12:21:15 AM »
Most of the 18 H7/800s have a Factory optional 5:00 x 5 tailwheel but some people claim the Beaver 5:00 X 4 tailwheel is better because it has stiffer sidewalls and Helios heavy tail. My understanding though is the new 5:00 x 5  10 ply tire is stiff enough and the lesser ply tires in a pinch are available everywhere.

I am also convinced if using the 29" mains (another place to be cautious in sidewall stiffness), the 5:00 x 5 tailwheel gives you a better angle of attack on takeoff

I believe installing the factory optional 5:00 x 5 tailwheel would be legal and would take nothing more than a properly worded log book endorsement.

I did a search for tailwheels and came up with 4 pages of posts mentioning tailwheels feel free to search the site and see what you come up with.

I believe I posted the equipment list of H800 c/n 05 showing installation of the optional 5:00 x 5 tailwheel but I didn't find it.

« Last Edit: January 03, 2019, 12:52:02 AM by Doug Johnson 1 »

TreeTopFlyer

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2019, 01:23:04 PM »
Just as note..Stephen I believe the pic you posted is the beaver tire on my plane....seems like my hanger from the pic

Doug Johnson 1

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2019, 01:55:21 PM »
resized and opened also found ref to 500X5 on 7/800 Helios


Equipment list of Helio H-4 showing ref to 500X 5 tire and wheel
« Last Edit: January 10, 2019, 02:11:12 PM by Doug Johnson 1 »

tailhook

Re: 500-5 Tail-wheels
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2019, 02:50:59 PM »
Chris, that is your tailwheel, I'm dyslexic anymore, here is the one for N77TR that is the correct one and factory spec'd.


https://www.facebook.com/heliosteve/videos/10216357902328429/


Stephen