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Doug Johnson 1

1970 accident
« on: June 21, 2017, 06:30:44 AM »
Anyone have a Helio accident list. I seem to have misfiled mine.

I was trying to identify this Helio.



Louis

Re: 1970 accident
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 07:35:34 AM »
Sad.  Any official conclusion on the cause of this accident ? 

When fire erupt, you don't have a chance.  Lost one of my best friend like that in a 180.  Two in fact, since both of the couple died

Doug Johnson 1

Re: 1970 accident
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 11:12:27 AM »
Louis,
I have been unable to locate this accident I don't have anything in my accident list that fits and I was unable to find a Helio in the NTSB Monthly report for FEB 1970 or the MA state report. I believe I found the missing A/C a Cessna 150 on march 9 at Sterling MA. 
but there are no Helios for the entire month of Feb. I searched for MA in my Helio list but don't find an accident for Feb in MA.

It looks like there is a fire but I have no way of knowing if that is what killed the Pilot.

Any help would be appreciated. I may be overlooking something.

gearedone

Re: 1970 accident
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2017, 03:05:01 PM »
This was all I could find, nothing for NTSB, FAA, or ASN. This somewhat surprises me in the fact that there was a fatality, and passenger critically injured.

http://www.nytimes.com/1970/02/13/archives/plane-crash-kills-pilot.html

Stephen
Slow Flight in Helio interests everyone, "Fly it like you STOL it"

Doug Johnson 1

Re: 1970 accident
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2017, 05:57:14 AM »
OK guys I'm left wondering if they had fake news back in 1970. I sent a copy of the picture to Barry Collman in the UK.

He ran it past a a friend here in the USA who has access to old newspapers. This is what he said.

I ran this past my friend and it seems we were both ‘fooled’ by the shape of the fin, into thinking it was a Helio.

In fact, The Lowell Sun reported it as a Cessna and an NTSB report (NYC70AN089) almost certainly confirms it was N3339Y, a Cessna 182.


I was fooled just as much by the caption that calls the wrecked plane a 'Helio Courier Search plane' the shape of the tail fin reinforced it.

Just when I thought it was sorted out I find that that the A/C tail we thought looked like a Helio tail was a Helio tail.

Barry's press report contact found that their was a Helio and it was owned by Marine Associates.
They were formerly known as AGB Corporation and based at Worcester, Massachusetts.
However, a search under those names doesn’t produce a viable candidate.
 
They were a distributor for Helio aircraft, so the one in question may have been with them, but not Registered to them.

Barry is going to try an email to the NTSB, as they have been quite helpful to him in the past.


And I need help I thought I would go to the NTSB site and look up the accident (NYC70AN089) for N3339Y . I discover I can't find it apparently I don't know how.

Can anyone give me a tutorial on how to find that accident.

gearedone

Re: 1970 accident
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2017, 07:11:45 AM »
Slow Flight in Helio interests everyone, "Fly it like you STOL it"

Doug Johnson 1

Re: 1970 accident
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2017, 07:49:22 AM »
Something has to be mixed up.

An accident on the same day at the same place where the aircraft hits another and catches on fire 1 fatality both destroyed.

I wish there was a better view of the wreckage. I wonder if the destroyed parked Cessna was N3339Y or was the parked aircraft the Helio if so then their would be no accident report for the Helio.

But I still think the tail of the burning aircraft looks like a Helio unless the photo angle is such that the 182 is actually burning and a little further away.

Also possibly the Helio wasn't actually destroyed just badly damaged didn't burn and was repaired or salvaged for parts.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2017, 08:00:10 AM by Doug Johnson 1 »

Louis

Re: 1970 accident
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2017, 08:13:07 AM »

And I need help I thought I would go to the NTSB site and look up the accident (NYC70AN089) for N3339Y . I discover I can't find it apparently I don't know how.

There is no trace of it in the NTSB.  They don't make an investigation on all accidents.  Only the ones that can  improve aviation safety.  And the Cessna destroyed here was parked and got hit by the Helio when it was not piloted.  I suppose that was enough for the NTSB to not make any investigation on the case.

Would be great to find the Helio tail number

louis
« Last Edit: June 27, 2017, 08:15:31 AM by Louis »

Louis

Re: 1970 accident
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2017, 08:18:22 AM »

Doug Johnson 1

Re: 1970 accident
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2017, 04:16:47 PM »
I guess things on this accident end here. this from Barry.

"Despite the newspaper report, I too came to the conclusion that the Helio was indeed the parked aircraft.
 
My press cuttings expert found that it was reportedly owned by Marine Associates.
They were formerly known as AGB Corp and based in Worcester, Massachusetts.
But, no suitable candidate was found, after making a search.
So, it was possibly owned by them, but sold on without being Registered to them."
 
I emailed the NTSB to see if the Helio “N” number was mentioned in the accident report, but their reply was:

“The NTSB’s Docket files, which contain the additional supporting materials for the investigation report, only go back to 1978.
Unfortunately, we were unable to locate any additional files or information that might identify the parked aircraft in this accident.”