c/n H-5, N40345

[Doug Johnson]

6 picture check your albums. Please do an internet search maybe you'll come up with one I couldn't find, I need all the help I can get.

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c/n H-5, built 12/83 as model H-800 Factory installed optional larger 5:00 tailwheel and 15' stabilator, original registry N40345, advertised as H-800SP (seaplane) Kimmel Aviation inc (F. Stewart Kimmel) MS sold 07/85, Eliot Wilke MA placed in experimental category used in drop tests for gross weight increase to 4000lb and Clarence Brent gear legs (STC SA2171CE) aluminum landing gear legs in place of fiber glass ones & also modified, with installation of speed mods wheel pants an aerodynamic cowling speed mod fairings dual fold down landing lts Madras droop wing tips, the aerodynamic mods were never placed on type certificate, hangered for several years Athens Georgia 142 hrs TT when sold 06/04, Luigi Chinetti CT 175 hrs TT in '15 sold, Sky Manor Aviation (Robert Argila Sr. dealer) Pittstown, NJ, all Mods on aircraft were given 337s and field approved A/C now has valid registry, sold 9/16 David Presby Whitefield, New Hampshire

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note: wheel fairings and cowling and landing Lt to close to aileron actually installed in the inspection port

note: Madras wing tips

[Doug Johnson]

Just noticed this on E-bay

Do they have to accept the highest bid? It's probably worth $72K.

[Louis]

All the bids:

private listing - bidders' identities protected

I hate these "identities protected".  What they really say is ; list of the bids can be bullshit

Louis

[Doug Johnson]

Just called Skymanor Aircraft c/n H-5 has sold so I checked the FAA registry it has not changed yet.

Probably the reason Steven is looking for repair manual

Anyone know who purchased N43045 so I can satisfy my curiosity about the stabilator length.

[dwp123]

The stabilator length on n40345 c/n H5 is 15'-1/2" and I purchased the plane from skymanor looking for manuals and info on plane       Thank you

[gearedone]

The stabilator length on n40345 c/n H5 is 15'-1/2" and I purchased the plane from skymanor looking for manuals and info on plane       Thank you

There are no maintenance manuals available for the 700/800 airplanes, they were never put together and published, factory shut down before any were printed, no support for the airplane from the factory standpoint.

Stephen

[dwp123]

Thank you Stephen any info that anyone has on the h800 would be helpful and I have been told that helio 295 is very close to the H800 so maybe the 295 manuals could help thank you dwp123

[Doug Johnson]

dwp123,
Thanks for info, we now know that H-4 and H-5 two of the ten H-800s have the 15' stabilator.

Louis says that H-14 and two other H-800s have the 13'6" stabilator. Interesting to find out what size the stabilator is on the other five H-800 A/C.

Send me a PM if you would like copies of your A/Cs FAA files.

I also have PDF copies of the H-295 repair and parts manual if interested.

And my list of all 530 Helios is available to you or anyone else interested.

By the way from pictures it appears that H-5 has the Factory optional 5:00 x 5 tailwheel if so would you look on your A/C's equipment list and tell me what the part number is, or better yet a photocopy of the entire page.

In my opinion with the modified cowling you have the best looking H-800.

[JamesCaird]

Hi Doug-  H-22 has 13'6" horizontal stabilator/ Cheers/  Bob Wallace

[Doug Johnson]

Bob, I'm not surprised about H-22 while it was intended to be an H-800, it was completed as an H-392 with the lighter IGSO-480-A2A6, I'm not sure about the weight of the radial engine that was tried but I was told it was lighter than the GO-480. H-22 probably never needed the 15' stab.

Only the H-800 with the heavy lycoming G0-720 needs the 15 stabilator. 

H-22 with the even lighter turbine now needs it even less.

[Louis]

Boy i would like to see a photo of the 15 feet stab.  H-800 had me struggle to pilot for 16 years with not enough stab control.  I would love to try a H800 with a better stab authority.  With a longer stab, may be it does fly nearly as well as a 295 .  My 800 with the 13 feet stab was always buffeting from the tail when landing because the stab had to had too much angle of attack to be able to counterweight the weight of the io 720

Louis

[Doug Johnson]

I don't think it can equal the H-295 until you get a prop possibly a four blade that can use the 400HP of the O-720. The Factory recognized this and had Hartzell in the process of developing a prop for the H-800 when the factory closed.

I believe the project for that prop was abandoned when the factory closed.

[Louis]

Yes, but i was talking not about the take-off performance but the handling.  With or without power.  This strange tendency to buffer at many occasion. 

Louis

[Doug Johnson]

Louis, I have to agree with you. Although I've never flown either the H-700 or H-800. I've talked with a lot of people about the H-700 which for many reasons will never equal most other models but the same people that have also flown the H-800 never thought the H-800 was that bad of an airplane apparently the H-800's they flew had the correct stabilator installed.

I recently talked with Bob Casebeer about the H-700 and H-800 He said he tried to talk James Cox out installing the TIO-540 in the Helio, and he was against the fiberglass landing gear which has many shortcomings. The Fiberglas gear was installed for the sake of expediency, when they couldn't get parts for the shock gear