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Title: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Doug Johnson on April 25, 2015, 05:46:39 AM
4 picture check your albums. Please do an internet search maybe you'll come up with one I couldn't find, I need all the help I can get.

This aircraft has a peculiar paint scheme.

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c/n 1263, built 07/67 as U-10D s/n 66-14361 for USAF accepted 07/67, t/n “66-14361” USAF CA ANG 129th Special Operations Group until 11/74, storage MASDC Davis-Monthan AFB AZ declared excess 03/76 released 04/76, as N42112 loaned to US Department of Agriculture TX screw worm eradication program until '78, Arizona Drug Control sold '79, Sun Industries AZ sold '81, rereg N2706J Utah dept of Public safety drug & liqour enforcement sold '88, Richard Negley installed Riley/Rajay turbocharger sold '94, John Pollock KS accident pilot attempted a takeoff downwind to the West with 900 feet of usable runway and winds reported at 270o with 15 to 25 kt gusts. Aircraft didn’t lift off and impacted a row of 15 feet tall Spruce trees at the end of a turf runway @ Wellsville KS 9/95, upgraded repaired '03 by using Factory unfinished H-800 s/n H-23 fuselage & wings converting it to an H-600 ?, and automatically up-grossing it to 3800lb and eliminating carry-thru AD sold '04, dereg export rereg C-GZZL Louis Grenier Beloeil, QC placed on Edo 3400A amphib floats requiring ventral fin

                                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiNIM_OBuro

     Len Harsimiuk AB now owns original c/n 1263 s/n 66-14361 fuselage and wings they will be used to complete c/n 1254 project

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Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on May 03, 2015, 06:45:46 PM


(http://i61.tinypic.com/21axu9j.jpg)

Just using the Helio to dry my washed T-Shirts

Montana, 3- may 15

Louis
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on May 03, 2015, 06:50:37 PM
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Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on August 03, 2015, 03:53:11 PM
installed Edo 3500A amphib floats requiring ventral fin

Wipline 3400 amphibious, Doug.  Lstc.  The same "lightweight" floats that they put now on Cessna 206

louis
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on August 03, 2015, 03:55:17 PM

This aircraft has a peculiar paint scheme.


Got it like that from Ken.  Still on the same paint scheme   ;-)
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Doug Johnson on August 03, 2015, 04:30:56 PM
I still think it's peculiar, maybe it's peculiar that in 12 yrs you've never came up with a better paint scheme.

I made the correction to the history paragraph. Thanks.
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Doug Johnson on December 19, 2015, 06:06:15 AM
added photo taken while in military storage, 2nd one from top
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Doug Johnson on January 24, 2016, 12:51:26 AM
found a picture of GZZL looked like straight floats at first glance
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on July 12, 2017, 08:52:51 PM
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Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on July 12, 2017, 08:53:55 PM
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Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on July 12, 2017, 08:55:04 PM
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Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on July 12, 2017, 08:55:46 PM
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Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on July 12, 2017, 08:56:44 PM
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Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on July 12, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
C-GZZL used to have so many colours on it that we decided to paint it in only one.  In a peculiar scheme.  ;-)

Louis
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on July 13, 2017, 05:10:58 AM

This aircraft had a peculiar paint scheme.

I hope you use just a little bit more contrasting color for accent, than just the registry mark and the Helio logo.

It is just..... really red.

How about going from etrange fille to Belle fille rouquine
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: gearedone on July 13, 2017, 07:32:44 AM
I like it the way it is, personal taste I guess.

And we have a match.

Stephen
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on July 13, 2017, 09:07:03 AM
You like the way the truck is or the Helico ?  I am sure no individual can like both.  Unless he is very versatile.
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on July 13, 2017, 09:11:05 AM

I hope you use just a little bit more contrasting color for accent, than just the registry mark and the Helio logo.


ok.  So we will paint the doors in contrasting colours.  The nose cowling too.  That will make it a five colours plane. Red, green, yellow, purple, orange  and pink.  Marking in white.
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: gearedone on July 13, 2017, 10:20:11 AM
Louis,

 I like my truck, but the Helio is nearly the same color, say for a shade or two difference.

Now you bring ZZL to KOSH. We have room for you.

Stephen
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on July 13, 2017, 08:58:11 PM
Louis, I didn't mean more colors just a little more white like wing tips, rudder cap and stabilator caps. A red spinner would probably be OK. MY Helio had a red spinner when it was with the British Guiana defence force. But they nicknamed it Rudolph, like the reindeer. 

More colors would make it look like it originally did.

I'ts beautiful now. Like a redheaded girl.
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on July 14, 2017, 05:55:53 AM
Stephen has good taste in vehicles. I had a 1974 dodge power wagon great truck I rolled it and bought a 1977 dodge power wagon it was a piece of junk. interestingly a guy I worked with bought my '74 dodge wreck and put a 1947 power wagon body on it now that was a cool truck unfortunately I never took a picture of it,

I did a search for 1974 dodge power wagons expensive. Down loaded a picture of one, picked a red one because we are talking about red vehicles. I don't know if my friends truck ever made it past rust it looked more like c/n 636 Helio in Waterworld movie.

http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?topic=902.msg6082#msg6082
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: gearedone on July 14, 2017, 11:37:03 AM
This is my 1985 Prospector 150 SE, it has no rust, solid floors and minor paint issues, but it is under restoration. It starts, runs, drives, and goes down the road very straight.

Interior is gutted for now, and wiring issue under the rear bumper.

Paid $1200.00 for last year from Ft. Wayne, IN.
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on July 14, 2017, 08:36:36 PM
I really like monochrome cars and planes. 

i think i will leave ZZL all red.

Do they make special rubber paint for the tires ?  I am planning to paint them red.  The windshield and windows, too.

Louis
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on July 15, 2017, 09:50:36 AM
Seriously that would be cool, and why not they have them for cars, probably not enough time to get it done and make it to Oskosh.
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Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: gearedone on July 15, 2017, 10:36:43 AM
Monochromatic colors are all the colors (tints, tones, and shades) of a single hue.


Example of a monochromatic color scheme
Monochromatic color schemes are derived from a single base hue and extended using its shades, tones and tints. Tints are achieved by adding white and shades and tones are achieved by adding a darker color, grey or black.

Monochromatic color schemes provide opportunities in art and visual communications design as they allow for a greater range of contrasting tones that can be used to attract attention, create focus and support legibility.

The use of a monochromatic color provides a strong sense of visual cohesion and can help support communication objectives through the use of connotative color. The relative absence of hue contrast can be offset by variations in tone and the addition of texture.
Monochromatic in science means consisting of a single wavelength of light or other radiation (lasers, for example, usually produce monochromatic light), or having or appearing to have only one color (in compare to polychromatic). That means according to science the true monochromatic images can be strictly created only of shades of one color fading to black.

However, monochromatic has also another meaning near to the words “boring” or “colorless” which sometimes leads to creating a design composed from true monochromatic color shades (one hue fading to black), and the colors created from the one hue but faded to all wavelengths (to white). This design should not be called as monochromatic in strictly scientific meaning.
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: gearedone on July 15, 2017, 11:37:51 AM
You like the way the truck is or the Helico ?  I am sure no individual can like both.  Unless he is very versatile.

I'm quite versatile, and I like both. The Helio looks really sharp.

4X4 trucks and Helio's is there any other combination for back road driving or flying.

Stephen
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: RCarter on July 15, 2017, 02:33:28 PM
Looks great!  It will be easy to see in both the sky and on the ground.  I like it when I can see the other planes flying around, makes them easier to avoid.

It was a sharp looking Helio before, it will be a real head turner now with fresh and glossy paint.  Looking forward to a photo when it is ready to fly!
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on July 15, 2017, 08:58:30 PM
Looks great!  It will be easy to see in both the sky and on the ground.

Even on dark nights.  The letters and outside placards are made from ambulance approved 3M scotch light materials.  I always fear when parking the plane on a skidoo trail that a skidoo hit the plane.  Parking elsewhere is sometimes a chalenge on the same night.  Because on the slush.  Once parked, you can go on snowshoes make a parking.  But it does take some hours sometimes before the snow is ready.  If i come late, then i have to leave the Helio on the trail.  So i put a lot of 3m reflective material on the trail on branches.  With this paint job, it will have more.

Louis
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on October 10, 2017, 08:17:27 PM
Here it is current photos of c/n 1263 courtesy of Neil B. He also sent a quick time movie clip of a take off in a 20 kt cross wind from the right. Pretty nice takeoff with that much wind.

In the movie clip Looks like 10o of flap with just a little bobble to right then to the left Neil says it wasn't that bad.

Wish there was a way to post the movie clip.

It sure is a lot of red but its beautiful and the black on the cowling has a perfect line to match windows too. I was really hoping for red tires and red tinted windows.

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=991.0;attach=7303;image)
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Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Jason Stephens on October 13, 2017, 01:27:11 PM
Reminds me of the YIPPIE!! P-38.  Pretty cool.
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on November 27, 2017, 08:56:29 PM
The red Helio had its wings and tail  took off.  Packed in a container.  It is going to Australia.  We made a trip there with the Flying Winnebago three years ago.  But we did miss the West Coast.  So we are returning there next spring.  This time with the Helio.  So there will be less stress when the temperature will be 100 F on short strips.

I will post photo of the apparatus Neil did to be able to remove the wing, and put them back together, without pain.

Louis
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: rmartell on November 28, 2017, 07:25:12 AM
Interested in seeing that apparatus since we were discussing the easiest way to attach wings the other day with my engineer.
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on December 01, 2017, 07:32:40 PM
I will make photo.  It does work quite good:  i was at my sewing machine, under the wing.  Without talking to me, Neil started to remove the wing without telling me.  When i finished to sew my pockets  ( i am sewing a lot of them to equip the inside of the Helio so i can live those two months with all it takes )

Then, i notice that the wing was gone, and already attached in the container.  Mission done without me noticing it

louis
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on December 07, 2017, 08:25:32 PM
https://youtu.be/ifalwQxzNDE
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: gearedone on December 07, 2017, 09:51:07 PM
Louis,

That is quite the container, how long will it take to get to Australia?

Would sure like to see at Oshkosh

Safe journeys and happy flying.

Stephen
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: RCarter on December 07, 2017, 11:27:07 PM
Louis, that is one amazing container.  You can ship it to me if it is too expensive to ship it to Australia :)  I also love you hangar door with all the windows.  That is a great design, ohh and your porter, also a great design!

Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on December 08, 2017, 05:43:34 AM
A long time.  Probably around 3 months.  59 days on the sea.  The ship already have it's slot to go trough the Suez canal.  Last time, when we shipped the Flying Winnebago, it wen't by train to Vancouver, then by sea to Australia.  Now the route seems to go trough the Atlantic.  Probably these route are chosen with reserved slots that the shipping compagny might have in ports and canal.  I am not sure how it works, but we already have the panned route.

Everything is listed for customs.  The plane, the tools, my T-Shirt, my underwear etc. 

What i forgot to show you was how we equipped the inside of the plane.  With a lot of storage area.  Going from a Flying Winnebago to do the same camping - "living in the plane" in a Helio did required some planning of the storage inside.  The sun of Australia is also very strong.  So sun curtains were installed.  I did some video to show it to friends, but they are in french.  I will post them anyway.

A lot of tailoring and sewing.  But this is my trade, so it was easy and fun.  Going back to 8 hours a day designing and sewing after almost two years of retirement.  ( Made that 45 years before those two years )

I also payed a lot with forming Polycarbonate sheet.  Also polyethylene.  And sewing them.  There is a lot of plastic forming machinery now on the internet.  One can go a long way with a 150 dollar machine.

Louis


https://youtu.be/iTto_ZOzEiA

Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on March 24, 2018, 08:50:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKZAzbH2BGY&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on March 24, 2018, 08:58:59 PM
https://youtu.be/u_BZVOWNDMs
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on March 24, 2018, 09:01:39 PM
https://youtu.be/vvuZdE_6cZg
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on March 24, 2018, 09:03:52 PM
https://youtu.be/xJ7NU8IyuQ4
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on March 24, 2018, 09:06:06 PM
https://youtu.be/0_-GsJAa5tw
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on March 24, 2018, 09:08:00 PM
https://youtu.be/IzJJUjMYneg
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on March 24, 2018, 09:09:11 PM
I have some photos, but my hoster charge too much now.  I will figure out how to put photo.  Because as now, both wings are on

Louis
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on March 25, 2018, 08:49:15 PM
https://youtu.be/RX3Cp6AVby0
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on March 26, 2018, 07:58:14 AM
(https://image.ibb.co/m8XSaS/IMG_6170.jpg)(https://image.ibb.co/d07tFS/IMG_6173.jpg)
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on March 26, 2018, 08:00:02 AM
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Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Barry Dechert on March 31, 2018, 11:18:32 PM
Very nice & also awesome thanks for sharing your photographs, gives me very good concept on how to support the wing on install. All though I have very similar concept pictures speak. Thank you. The aircraft looks awesome.
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on April 01, 2018, 06:07:01 PM
Thanks.

Neil did an incredible work at preparing this mission.  It went very fast once the container received in Australia.  Two days and the plane was reassembled.  Without a scratch.  We just finished to paint it.  Scratch were not an option. 

All the electrics to the wings ( autopilot, fuel sensors, lights, electric flaps ) was equipped with connectors at the root of the wings.  With the small trolley wheels, the Helio could fit in without removing the prop.  Everything was super clean because Australia have very strict standards for bio-contamination.  It was scrutinized for any dirt by bio-officer. 

Now it is my turn to go there.  I take the airline soon to go fly it in Australia.  I will post photo. 

Australia is an incredible country to fly around.  3000 feet dirt runways everywhere.  ( Most remote farms have their own strip.  And most of them offer accommodations for sleep ) Depending on the season, weather is usually friendly if you like it hot.  They have one of the first and most perfect iPad app to navigate ( OZrunways ) and an incredible book for weekend flyers.  The references of this book is even included in the App.  The immensity makes the plane worth to take.  You can't make the same trip with a camper.  ( If it isn't a flying one )

And everywhere you go, there is nice people to help you with transportation or any special needs.  Fuel is available at most places you can land.

Louis

Photo from my last trip with the flying Winnebago:
(https://image.ibb.co/fyyHLS/kangourou_NUK2.jpg)
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on April 12, 2018, 03:36:18 AM
On a private strip near Albany, South west Australia

(http://image.ibb.co/jaEbxH/helio_OZrunway.jpg)
Photo Nat Mongeau
Title: Re: c/n 1263, C-GZZL
Post by: Louis on April 13, 2018, 06:27:11 PM
At http://www.thelily.com.au in Australia