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General Category => General Helio Discussion => Topic started by: Gordon Cragg on November 21, 2019, 08:25:46 AM

Title: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Gordon Cragg on November 21, 2019, 08:25:46 AM
Good Morning Everyone;
Site Ground has informed me this morning that the Fly Helio domain name and hosting service is due for renewal on November 29.
The re-up charge is in excess of $270.00.
I have spoken to several members about taking the site over since I have sold my H-295, but no takers as yet. Will Ware helped me put the site together and he has asked to take it over, however, there would be site improvements and a membership fee to access the site.
Personally, I would prefer to keep it free...but some decisions need to be made fairly quickly.
Gordon Cragg
713-502-7274
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: rmartell on November 21, 2019, 09:52:26 AM
Morning Gordon,

Re-newal is $270.00...what other additional charges are there to keep it the way it is?
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: RCarter on November 21, 2019, 04:47:46 PM
I can and will contribute some to keep the site free as well.  Just let us know as thing start to crystallize so we can support the organization as needed.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: TreeTopFlyer on November 22, 2019, 03:05:06 AM
I will also contribute..lets us know
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: rmartell on November 22, 2019, 12:01:03 PM
Once the cost it determined...add me to the list of contributors
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Jason Stephens on November 23, 2019, 03:36:27 PM
I'll for sure kick in some money to help.  Just give me a ring or email me at jason@azsoaring.com
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: rmartell on November 24, 2019, 10:54:56 PM
I appreciate all the efforts of the consistent contributors to the site which has been helpful, informative, and a portal to good advice over the years.

Add me to the list...to help pay for the site...

Doug, if Gordon gets back to you with the particulars, please let me know how many interested parties want to donate and provide us with the total amount required by each.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Kevin Dunn on November 25, 2019, 08:28:45 AM
As have many of you, I have spoken with Gordon about this subject in the past and just sent him another text. I am of the opinion that the website serves us best being a free site as opposed to membership dues, etc. That being said, I too am willing to chip in to pay whatever fees are required. We will see what happens. Until then....Doug, please keep posting!!  Always cool to see the latest you have dug up.

Kevin
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: ONIONFARMER on November 25, 2019, 11:54:57 AM
As Kevin said. I nominate Doug as treasurer and administrator. If active members send him $50 each it should keep the site open for quite a while. Doug could start a thread on who has paid and I’m sure others will chip in. Alan
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on November 25, 2019, 02:36:11 PM
Thanks guys, for the support votes. We are up to 7 contributors, including myself, that's about 43 dollars apiece. I guess we become the primary elite members and could lord it over the others, that at least we care enough to contribute (but that elite thought should end here), I really would like to see at least 30 of us and bring that contribution down to 10 dollars each, but that probably won't happen.

Sites that have a membership fee it usually run around 25 dollars per year. we have 600 members around 200 that are actually active but I doubt if most of them think it's worth 50 cents. 

Gordon went ahead and paid the hosting co, since I have committed to being the administrator, so we won't have a break in service. I will reimburse him in a few days
then I will contact each of you guys and we will work it out from there.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Flathorn on November 25, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
Count me in  for my share.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: jmetzler on November 25, 2019, 03:25:45 PM
Add me to the list.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Au Miner on November 25, 2019, 04:51:40 PM
count me in too
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Aviador on November 25, 2019, 06:36:34 PM
Same here!
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Namaolen on November 25, 2019, 07:26:30 PM
I’m in also Doug, just have to figure out how to make the payment from Canada
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on November 25, 2019, 07:59:30 PM
Thanks guys, I think we are down to about 25 dollars each now as I said before it just keeps getting better and more affordable.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: jmetzler on November 25, 2019, 09:06:20 PM
I'll be out of town for the week, but I'll get a check sent when I get back. Post the address and amount when known.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Mitchell on November 25, 2019, 10:31:15 PM
I’m in let me where to send check. Thanks
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Ravens on November 26, 2019, 12:35:54 AM
Please count me in as well !  Thanks Doug and everyone for all your support to keep our great site going ! 
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: CRoss on November 26, 2019, 07:35:32 AM
I want to donate to the cause, also!
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: mandeltm on November 26, 2019, 07:44:58 AM
Count me in also,  Thanks Doug and everyone for all your help !
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Foster on November 26, 2019, 01:39:39 PM
Doug,
Thank you for taking this responsibility.  I too will support in any way needed.   
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: JamesCaird on November 26, 2019, 04:24:55 PM
Thanks for all you do, Doug.  Count me in if you haven't alread.  I had sent you a PM earlier.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Neil on November 26, 2019, 04:42:17 PM
No problem for me, Via PayPal.

Neil
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: rmartell on November 26, 2019, 09:23:32 PM
Doug,

I was down at the bank today (Canada) to see how to best send US funds. I see that Namaolen has the same concerns.

I was told that all we could do is send a US Bank draft directly to you..as soon as you figure things out I will need your mailing particulars to send down the draft
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: rmartell on November 26, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
Doug,

I stopped by the Bank (Canada) today to see how to forward the U.S. Funds to cover the portion of the site once you have if figured out.

Only option is a U.S. Bank Draft mailed directly to you...

You'll need to provide your full name and mailing address for delivery...sorry this is the only way to get it to you.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on November 27, 2019, 02:20:31 AM
Robert, Another Canadian above Neil, suggests this "No problem for me, Via PayPal".

I'm not sure how that works but we can check into it.

I also have no problem sending you the information you asked for, I really don't want to post it here but I will send it to each individual using the little letter icon next to the name of person on each post. If anyone has deleted the email feature the envelope icon goes away which I see nine of you guys have, I can send you guys the the info by PM. Or you can  send me your email address by using the same little envelope icon by my name, although I probably already have a couple of your email address in my address book.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: TreeTopFlyer on November 27, 2019, 03:58:25 PM
Yup just tell me how much and an address where to send check
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Paul Dale on November 27, 2019, 11:20:17 PM
happy to help as well, your work is much appreciated by likely many more than have responded. Thank you
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: tmcnamara on November 29, 2019, 08:40:08 AM
Hi Doug,
Count me in as well.
Thanks.
Tim McNamara MD
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on November 29, 2019, 03:44:29 PM
Thanks guys, I just re-figured with the latest person to pledge and it now goes like this $21.50 to $16.66 to $15.00 to $14.30 and now $13.65 each, I said before it just keeps getting better and more affordable.

It is the after Thanksgiving day I suppose I should start sending emails to each of the 22 of the people that have responded, with my snail mail address, too bad we can't just fax money.

I've been told that paypal s not a bad way to go, this from wikipedia; A worldwide online payments system that supports online money transfers and serves as an electronic alternative to traditional paper methods like checks and money orders you can click on this link to take you to paypal https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/account-selection?&gclid=CjwKCAiA_f3uBRAmEiwAzPuaM5c_fimcDLX9HT4_LjRNbLhQ-Z9LYT10oWBLnqLWlYQphKoy3ePuPxoCPMUQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

or 1 (888) 221-1161

Me if I need to send money to Canada I'm going to stick with a money order and the US postal service
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: tmcnamara on November 29, 2019, 09:43:38 PM
Hi Doug,
I think most of us have a PayPal account. I use mine frequently to pay for things. If you will get an account you can post a link where we can pay or you can send individual invoices via email.
Regards,
Tim McNamara
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on November 30, 2019, 11:10:47 AM
T,
I received 3 emails with various reasons as to why I should use PayPal
I really don't want to use this email for a paypal account.
I had a gmail address for quite awhile but after forgetting to check it daily and notices for inactivity, notices of other sorts and the fact tere was no way that I had figured out at the time to forward to another address so I deleted it.
I may have to get another email address and forward them to my current address because If things go as they have in the past I can expect 900 emails per year from applicants. And I really want to keep my current email separate. Currently I get very little junk mail. I suspect this may change.
I do not participate in social media except for the little bit I do here and a few personal friends.
I suspect that by next November when it comes time to renew the site, I will have a Paypal account.
But for the time being I would really appreciate using the snail mail address that I provided each of you.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Neil on November 30, 2019, 07:15:20 PM
hello Mr Johnson
I send to you next week for the wonderful job you make for maintaining the FlyHelio web site one money order from three passionate about Helio me, Louis and Denis
Thank you
Best Regards
Neil
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on December 01, 2019, 01:14:38 AM
Neil, Mr. Johnson is my dad or someone really old I'm only 72', slightly old.

We are at 12 dollars US now, that is 15.95 Canadian, I was told that Canadians can just send a bank draft from their own bank, it will just take a little longer to clear my bank than a money order and it will save you a trip to the bank to purchase a money order, but you need to check this with your bank because I am not sure this is true.

By renewal time next year I expect I will probably have a paypal account to make it even easier in the meantime I will soon be trying to figure out how to activate the email feature at the FlyHelio and how to set up an email address at the site that will probably be djohn2@flyhelio.com. It may turn out to be more money than I'm willing to spend but will give it a try

I really appreciate your help it is not so much that I need the money it's less than a couple months of my cell phone service, It's the fact that 25 guys are willing to participate.

I would also like to activate the classified section of the website for free ads for only 2 things Helios and Helio parts this may turn out to be too time consuming but I would like to give it a try.

I've already had a couple people that would like to buy advertising one only aviation related the other Helio related but this is a slippery slope that I'm not sure I want to venture out on, because I'd like the site to remain clutter free, adds all around the edges would certainly undo that.

Can anyone but especially the 28 guys on the good list, give me some feedback here.
One of you guys that I had a phone conversation with saw no problem with unobtrusive advertising and felt that I deserved something in return for my time, but even that, starts to stray from the free idea and I'm reluctant to go there, until we really need to and we don't need to at the present time.

Later, Doug
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Schrage on December 02, 2019, 03:41:54 PM
I'm happy to pay my share as well.

You asked for feedback. Here's mine:

If you're opposed to selling advertising (I'm not), I suggest instead of dividing the cost by the number of people that have already offered to pay, just name a price for membership - say, $10 annually. If you collect way more than necessary, reduce the cost and apply the balance to future years. I suspect lots more users are willing to pay their share but haven't spoken up - as was the case with me.

I also agree with those that have suggested modernizing the payment method - Paypal, Venmo, Applepay, etc. That would open the door to charging a small fee for advertisements if you find the revenue is needed.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on December 02, 2019, 11:26:58 PM
Other Doug, right now the share amount is 12 dollars if you or anyone else sends me anything it will stay in the account until our next renewal. Doug S., I will send you an email with my snail mail address.
 
I am headed toward a Paypal account, I have it mostly figured out. I need to have another email address for the paypal account and I believe I've figured that out. Gordon never activated the email address that is possible through the site. As soon as I'm given full administrative privileges, I'll work on activating that email address.

I also understand that is relatively safe to keep modest amounts of money in the Paypal account so that solves having to open a seperate account, and transfer money around.

I am surprised that others like yourself are not opposed to adds. Are adds just so ubiquitous that they are expected, and not minded? In my opinion they clutter up the page even as i ignore them, I would at least try to keep it to Helio Courier related adds at worst aviation related adds. I'm not quite sure how this add thing works I understand some adds you get paid by the number of clicks on the add.

I really need more feedback on the add thing, I believe there is a way to do a pol, I may try to figure out how to do that.

 

Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Jason Stephens on December 03, 2019, 02:24:42 PM
My payment went out to you yesterday Doug.

-Jason
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Paul Dale on December 04, 2019, 10:01:38 PM
Doug, my feedback would be not to embrace advertising except Helio related.  Paypal would be helpful. Annual memberships a great idea at $25.  Member for sale section would be fun and likely useful for many. Lastly, the web hosting fees will be ongoing, your computer will melt down or otherwise need replacement or upgrading, and the users of this site really ought to just pitch in for these ongoing expenses in an orderly and fair manner to all participants, a subscription system seems to work well for similar sites. I am including an extra $25 for my impersonation of a reasonable 2020 membership fee.  Thanks, Paul
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on December 04, 2019, 11:30:06 PM
Paul, thanks for your help, I have had 29 people including yourself respond. This works out to $10.35 each. The money from your "impersonation of a membership fee will go into the account for next year.

I have had 3 requests for advertising, I suspect I will eventually give in and try to do some unobtrusive Helio related advertising but that is a ways down the road. First I have to understand the "Simple Machine Forum" enough to (http://activate) the email through the site so I can set up a PayPal account. I remember that when I first joined the site there was a donate button set up, but it appears to have been removed at some point.

I can remember back almost 10 years ago lurking around the edge of the FlyHelio site not yet even willing to become a member. At that time I could barely type but I took a typing class and look now I type more than two fingers, but even though I use all of my fingers I still look at the keyboard. Now look where we are, if I can't afford to hire someone to help
me I may be taking some kind of web site training.

Right now I can get away with using google to locate how to do different things.

Please, more feedback, be one of the people that helps to shape my thinking on what we do as we move forward.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: TreeTopFlyer on December 05, 2019, 07:49:33 AM
Hello Doug,

I am not opposed to a membership fee.  I think it's a good idea.  I am not opposed to HELIO ONLY advertising.  But I do not advocate for advertising across the board.  I sent you money personal check $13.65.  You have put in a lot of time to this site and it's appreciated.  So I advocate for keeping it simple.  Tell us when you need the money.  I know you're not in it for the money and you have earned my trust if that means anything!

Thanks again!!

Chris
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on December 05, 2019, 04:36:16 PM
Chris, The more I think about it. I am so against a membership fee. It's like wikipedia charging a membership fee which hopefully will never happen. In our case as long as I can keep things afloat I won't charge a membership fee per se. But like wikipedia Each November, I will ask for those of you that care enough, to share the expenses, to keep the site alive. It is now at $10.35 each, if you sent more than that I will save the overpayment for next November.

As I said before since no one seems to be opposed to Helio only advertising I may attempt to do only Helio related advertising with the the idea being to reducing the amount we need to donate. But first I have to figure out how to do advertising.

Don't expect any changes in the near future I just hope we get it done before next November.

Thanks Chris for your input.

More input please from the rest of you guys.



.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Namaolen on December 05, 2019, 04:39:25 PM
Doug, I would prefer to keep the site clean of advertising, definitely have a for sale section, at worse limit the advertising to Helio support,  I’m willing to pay yearly
Please email me at flyerlen@gmail.com as I have not been able to reply to you, thanks Doug
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Gary on December 11, 2019, 09:30:13 PM
I’m new to the group and still looking to purchase a Helio but would like to help. Also in Canada
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on December 12, 2019, 05:15:07 AM
Gary, you are no. 30 so now your share would be an even 10 dollars american. I will send you an email using the little envelope icon next to your name.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Barry Dechert on December 21, 2019, 12:59:26 PM
I would also contribute via PayPal which email address should I send it too. Thanks, Barry.
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: rmartell on December 21, 2019, 06:33:03 PM
Hey, Doug

So I guess I'll be getting a U.S. draft or money order.

Do you want to email your particulars, or would you like me call?
Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: Doug Johnson on December 21, 2019, 10:18:13 PM
Robert, My bank says as a Canadian you can just send me a cheque written on your personal account. It will just take a week to ten days to clear or I can put you on the pledge list and when I get administrative privileges. I will be able to get an email address through the site, which will allow me to make the PayPal donate button already on the 'FlyHelio.com' introduction page, functional. When that happens I will send you an email asking for a donation.


Title: Re: Fly Helio Site Renewal
Post by: rmartell on December 22, 2019, 05:22:27 PM
OK, thanks Doug