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Title: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on July 14, 2018, 12:24:41 PM
Previous posts below of unidentified Helios.

click on link http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?topic=1398.0

click on link http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?topic=454.msg3136#msg3136

click on link http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?topic=1339.msg5592#msg5592

I found this picture at Flicker labeled Helio with Garrett turbine I just looked at the thumbnail and sent off a post to a friend asking what he thought it was since it didn't really look like a Helio. He of course expanded the thumbnail saw it had an N registry looked it up saw it was a DeHaviland beaver c/n 1207. Then googled the registry and came up with this kind of interesting link with some info and better picture. I really don't think it is a one of a kind anymore though.

click on link https://www.fws.gov/news/blog/index.cfm/2017/11/7/N754-A-Piece-of-FWS-and-Aviation-History

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=7635;image)
(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=7637;image)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Jason Stephens on July 16, 2018, 01:43:42 PM
Is that 2nd photo of the plane that hangs in the Anchorage terminal?  Boy it is ugly in my opinion.
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on July 16, 2018, 07:41:42 PM
I can tell you didn't click on the link where it tells you

Headed to Alaska? You can soon catch a glimpse of U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service history at the Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport.

The above plane (N754), a testament to human ingenuity, is being installed at the airport and should be ready for its close-up in mid-November.

N754 started out as an ordinary deHavilland Beaver built in 1952, and it flew military missions in Cuba.  Its transformation into something extraordinary began when the Service acquired it as surplus in 1964.
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on August 04, 2019, 03:25:43 PM
Here is a Helio that popped up at a Jaars Facebook page and not completely identified.

It is probably one of six H-391B Helios c/n 030 N4113D, c/n 039 N4118D, c/n 042, N4123D, c/n 066 N41233D, c/n N4133D 090 or c/n 100 N4148D. anyone know for sure which one it is .

It is probably fresh from the factory this particular paint scheme doesn't seem to show up connected to any of these N #'s anywhere or I've overlooked it.

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8119;image)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on August 05, 2019, 08:20:23 PM
Incredible floats on that Beaver.  Looks like if the pilot or copilot have to get out in flight to go put the gear down

Louis
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on August 06, 2019, 02:57:15 AM
I thought the Helio was probably c/n 030 N4113D after it arrived at Jaars since it continued to fly for a long period in Peru without a Peru registry.

Steve believes it to be N4138D

Too bad I can't put the picture at the top of the picture queue in the history file.

click on http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?topic=739.msg3723#msg3723
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Kevin Dunn on August 06, 2019, 12:56:24 PM
Doug,

Not sure who sent you the email, but as the pilot for BMW in Honduras, I can assure you that the airplane is not N4138D during it's time in Honduras. It was bare aluminum when we bought it and I had it painted in Mena in 1996 using the 295 scheme.  As far as I know, it still has that paint job on it. It might be 38D from earlier.

Kevin
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Steve Williams on August 06, 2019, 07:45:07 PM
There is some confusion here. I stated that the fourth photo down in Doug's February 04 2015 post showed N4138D while operated by Biblical Ministries Worldwide in Honduras [type 'N4138D' into the search box at the top right of the page and hit ENTER. Scroll down to post number 4, dated February 04 2015, then down to the fourth photograph]. I saw this picture on the net, with a caption indicating the operator and location as above. I did not suggest that the 'unidentified Helio IV' in Doug's August 04 2019 post was with Biblical Ministries Worldwide when the photo was taken, nor that it was taken in Honduras.

Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Steve Williams on August 06, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
The font used for the registration appears to be Amarilo USAF, with a very small piece of the third character visible in the photo. It's from a chamfered corner of the type seen on a '2', '3', '6', '8', '9' or '0'. The fourth character can only be a '3' or an '8'. I suspect that it's N4138D.

A photo of N4138D when operated by WBNS Radio in the late fifties, early sixties, shows an antenna fairing atop the fuselage. It's also visible, along with an under-fuselage whip antenna, in a January 1980 photo. Both of these can be seen in the 'unidentified' photo. JAARS were flying N4138D within that time-frame, and wasn't the picture found on their facebook page?
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on August 06, 2019, 09:25:56 PM
I edited my earlier post and removed the reference to Biblical Ministries Worldwide I obviously didn't read Steve's email carefully sorry to add to the confusion
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Kevin Dunn on August 12, 2019, 03:55:28 PM
I sent the picture to a friend of mine who worked on 38D while he was with JAARS beginning in '73. He said the picture does appear to be the JAARS center in the early days, before everything was paved. He could not identify the guys in the picture. My guess is that it is 38D in the early days during it's time with JAARS.

Kevin
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on September 29, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
While looking at the Facebook page I found another Photo that has a nice back ground but doesn't have good enough resolution to identify the Yellow Helio. There was a comment saying C-FIYZ c/n 045 in back, but says nothing about the Yellow Helio in front. Who's photo is this?

There is a photo of c/n 1401 as C-GHDT here http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?topic=1026.msg4281#msg4281 that has a very similar paint scheme but in this photo it appears to have an N-reg number that begins with N and ends with V.

Anyone know if the yellow Helio is c/n 1401, just arriving in Canada with its previous registry of N6327V still on the a/c?

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8203;image)
Anyone have a better copy of the photo, with higher resolution?
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: dtreid on September 29, 2019, 10:21:55 PM
The yellow Helio in front is C-FSAA.
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on September 30, 2019, 12:57:33 PM
Thank you David I have no other pictures of c/n 520 C-FSAA but looking at the History paragraph of both c/n 520 it appears that c/n 1401 was a replacement for c/n 520 by Nahanni Air Serv and what I thought was an N-reg on the yellow Helio in the picture is probably the word NAHANNI.

Link to c/n 520, C-FSAA  http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?topic=773.msg3802;topicseen#msg3802
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on October 01, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
Another unidentified Helio named Suzy anyone know which one this is.

Is it possibly N295HC with Michael Steel. since it is the right color and located in San Diego.
Also looks like a Phone number on the flap.

If so what is the Suzy story? Is it something temporary?

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8209;image)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on October 02, 2019, 08:56:18 AM
Anyone know which Helio's these are are the first photo was taken in Alaska in 2016 appears like they are preparing it to be lifted out by helicopter.

The second is a photo of a Helio Courier that landed in a lake to small to take off from, in the Spring of 2012. probably near North Bay, Ontario, CANADA because of the registry on Helicopter.

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8213;image)

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8215;image)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on October 11, 2019, 02:20:56 PM
OK, here's another unknown Helio. Photo found at "Back Country Pilot".

Obviously it is a U-10B and it is equipped with a Phycops litter bug chute for dispersing leaflets.

Edit: it has a wheel chock with 5th ACS which narrows it down to 5 Helios out of 12. Also Phycops litter bug chute fits with the 5th ACS. I have no photos of c/n 594, 609, 620, and 1273. The 5th a/c c/n 619 I only Have a right side view and it already has nose art in script "Fly War Wagon" on the right side of the nose, it would be unusual if it had cowboy Joe on the left side. I can rule out 7 and probably 8 because the camo pattern on nose and around porthole window does not match and 1 already has nose art. Interestingly this camo pattern is like a a tigers spots they are all different. Even the civilian look a likes.

Photo caption was Flying Helio Courier RVN '69

Can anyone help here?

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8251;image)
photo of c/n 619 with the 5th ACS and it's nose art. "Fly War Wagon"
(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8271;image)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on October 13, 2019, 09:07:12 AM
Another unidentified Helio taken in Isafjordur, Iceland probably while en-route to or returning from Europe.

Interesting fueling step just below the corner of the windshield, first I've seen of that style in that location.

Anyone recognize this Helio.

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8269;image)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Steve Williams on October 13, 2019, 12:47:43 PM
Did you notice that the wheel chock is marked '5 A.C.S'?

The 5th Air Commando Squadron was organised at Nha Trang, South Vietnam, 08AUG65 and inactivated at Tuy Hoa, 15OCT69. They were tasked with psychologigal operations and allocated tail-code 'EO'. A photo of 63-093 on the 5thACS Wikipedia page shows a similar camouflage pattern and the same overall grey wing.
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on October 13, 2019, 03:08:22 PM
Looks like a 60 gallons.  Quite challenging to cross with that range.  With passengers on board.

Louis

Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on October 13, 2019, 03:10:21 PM
Bubble side window ?
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on October 14, 2019, 01:31:02 AM
Louis, maybe we cant see the 90 gallon ferry tank that sits in place of passenger seats, but seems like you could see it through the window maybe its underneath the junk we see through the rear window.



Steve, I had trouble finding 5th ACS finally found it under 5th Air Commando the Helio you see shows the right side of 63-13093 the left side is different. So unfortunately this isn't 63-13093. But we have a pretty good Idea now that it is probably one of the aircraft with the 5th ACS. Ill try to narrow it down.

See edit above cowboy Joe above

I open the photo of c/n 619s nose art. Fly War Wagon up above
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on October 14, 2019, 03:34:28 AM
The two persons under the wing are a couple for sure:  they bought their boots at the same store ;-)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: JamesCaird on October 14, 2019, 07:29:34 AM
Fueling:  I don't like to do what they are doing-I don't like to torque the fuel tank port and I don't like to bottom the nozzle out on the bladder.  Am I too fussy?  Otherwise cool to see these.  Thanks Doug.  Cheers/ JC
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on October 14, 2019, 07:58:16 AM
I was sure I had seen that 295 on the cowling before, I was hoping some one would remember something but no Help.

Louis pointing out the 60 gal tankage made me think of the 3 Helios with an Iceland registry. But I'm wondering if Louis
can tell from the shoes whether the A/C has still has Canadian registry or if in the photo it has Icelandic registry on it.

see it here click on
             http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?topic=1041.msg4306#msg4306
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on October 14, 2019, 11:11:19 AM
C-GSAL looks like it does have that strangely located fuel step near the windshield.  Used in the photo to attach the right rear door with a bungee
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on October 14, 2019, 11:18:20 AM
TF-VIK is registered at this airport where the photo was taken

Loftfaraskrá: helio

Einkennisstafir:
TF-VIK
Skráningarnr:
951
Tegund:
Helio Courier H-295
Framleiðsluár:
1969
Raðnúmer:
1415
Hármarksþungi:
1724 kg
Farþegafjöldi:
5
Eigandi:
Strandaflug ehf.
Urðarvegi 72
400 Ísafirði
Ísland
Umráðandi:
Strandaflug ehf.
Urðarvegi 72
400 Ísafirði
Ísland
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on October 14, 2019, 11:24:28 AM
BIIS is not an airport of entry.

But it is conveniently located toward Kuulussuk Greenland.  May be around 40 miles shorter hop than from Keflavik

Louis
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson 1 on October 16, 2019, 12:35:43 PM
I was sent some unidentified U-10s, the first a couple of U-10 'loudmouth litterbugs' no info the second a loudmouth @ Bien Hoa, 1965 .

Can anyone help here?

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8295;image)
(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8297;image)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson on October 17, 2019, 08:48:24 AM
Here is a picture of some unidentified Helio.

all the caption said was "Three Helios in a line".

The middle Helio is identifiable because of its distinctive paint scheme.

It is c/n 570, N47055 which lives in Alaska.

Can anyone Identify the other 2
, the rear Helio is an H-800 but which one,
the paint scheme matches c/n H-14 C-FXOH THE

Edit:  The rear Helio according to Louis is when visiting Alaska at the 'Royal Wolf Lodge' in Helio C-FXOH c/n H-14 circa '94.
The middle Helio was c/n 570 N47055 owned by 'Branham Adventures Royal Wolf Lodge' at that time.
The front Helio is another one of the Royal Wolf Lodge Helios #1409 N295BA later destroyed.

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8319;image)

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8337;image)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on October 17, 2019, 04:40:05 PM
I do recognize my knot on the rope on the 800.  So it is mine.  Well, it was.  Probably taken at Royal Woolf lodge.  It was C-FXOH

Louis
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on October 17, 2019, 04:44:25 PM
And the two other were part of the fleet of Royal Wolf Lodge AK.  Maybe 25 years ago ?  I can find the real date. 

Louis
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on October 17, 2019, 04:52:46 PM
Taken from this lake.  Yes it was Royal Wolf Lodge

Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson on December 01, 2019, 11:25:52 PM
Here is a picture of a Helio accident at lake Hood, Anchorage AK.

Anyone know which Helio had this accident?

At first I thought it  might be c/n 517 which was flipped over in a windstorm
but being a B/W photo and the photo caption Helio accident Lake Hood, probably not.

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8564;image)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: jmetzler on December 02, 2019, 09:52:28 AM
Appears to be an H391b due to a two blade prop. Narrows the field some!
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson on December 02, 2019, 11:58:15 PM
It does and I looked through the accident reports for H-391 and H-395As
and skimmed through the 2500 accidents, none appear to be an on float
accident at Lake Hood.
I suspect though it may have been an accident at the time but a lot of
accidents were changed to incidents, then dropped from accident list
and if this was a taxi incident probably dropped.
From what I can remember of how things looked 30 yrs ago this appears to
be looking south with the a/c in the taxi channel.

Anyone else with an opinion.
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson on August 30, 2020, 12:04:44 PM
Here is a Flicker photo of a Helio in the background taken at Resolute bay North West Territories 1963-64 any of you Canadian guys know which Helio with this distinctive paint scheme was in that area at that time.

And a second Helio at Pucallpa, Peru probably Jaars.

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8894)
(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8896)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson on September 04, 2020, 01:20:18 AM
I'm pretty sure the picture taken at resolute Bay NWT is CF-IBF.

check out this link  http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?topic=649.msg7797#msg7797
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson on September 13, 2020, 09:46:16 AM
Here is another unidentified Helio

It is a 1200 series U-10D with Army 5th Special Forces, at a lake near Simmons Army Airfield in the spring '74.

It is probably a USAF Helio loaned to the Army or participating in a joint excersize because the Army never had any U-10Ds.

I think most if not all of the USAF Helios on  floats were with the Air National Gaurd,

(http://flyhelio.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1458.0;attach=8968;image)
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on September 16, 2020, 05:47:37 PM
That north !!!  Resolute.  I am surprised.  If anyone could tell stories about Helio around that area, it would be
Laserich, Rene
#1 Ogark Road, Box 73
Cambridge Bay   X0E 0C0
Canada

He is the owner of my late Helio 800 C-FXOH

And the one that would have pilot it in those years would be his father

https://www.nnsl.com/obits/Laserich.pdf
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Louis on September 16, 2020, 05:55:11 PM
That north !!!  Resolute.  I am surprised.  If anyone could tell stories about Helio around that area, it would be
Laserich, Rene
#1 Ogark Road, Box 73
Cambridge Bay   X0E 0C0
Canada

He is the owner of my late Helio 800 C-FXOH

And the one that would have pilot it in those years would be his father.  He did know all about Helio when he bought my wrecked 800

https://www.nnsl.com/obits/Laserich.pdf
Title: Re: Unidentified Helio IV
Post by: Doug Johnson on September 17, 2020, 07:43:31 AM
Louis, are you saying William Laserich was flying for or as Hamilton Aviation in '63-'64

and I'm not understanding the referenc to Einkennisstafir: TF-VIK